Peter Whittle: (As a journalist) you don’t miss that part of reporting…I
mean, if you were reporting this, it would be tough wouldn’t it?
Isn’t it better to be a commentator?
JHB: “I much prefer being a commentator yeah i moved
into that deliberately actually. But again there are an awful lot of people on the
TV now — BBC sky and others — who i’ve got a pretty good idea how they voted when
it came to the the referendum. I mean some of them I know how they voted
because they’ve told me. And I am amazed at how many senior people in the media went: “I can’t believe you voted for Brexit! You’re insane. Why would you do that?”
That is the general view of people working in the media and I think the
reporting, the coverage of this issue has been so unbelievably biased. And I think
people are waking up to it and I think the BBC are not
going to come out of this well. PW: Do you think when people call into your show…..
JHB: We don’t do many phone-ins. On the breakfast show it’s far less than a phone in. But we have
lots and lots of guests. PW: Do you think from the feedback you get from the public, that the penny has dropped about the media. I mean my feeling is
that it was in the past it was Tory MPs usually saying: “the Today programme
doesn’t give us as much time as Labour MPs.” It’s not quite, it’s much bigger
than that now.
JHB: Yeah, but I find it amazing there are still so many people
who think for instance the BBC is biased against Remain. I mean I don’t know what
stations they’ve been listening to. You know I love the BBC. I watch and listen to their output. I’ll tell you what it is. They don’t hear it
themselves. They don’t know it. They live in such a bubble. I know this because
I’ve sat there in production meetings and they don’t know
anybody who voted leave — they *think* they don’t know anyone who voted leave. You
can see their faces when the referendum result was announced. The BBC were just
sitting there in shock. “Who were all these ghastly people?” It wasn’t anyone
they met. “It must be a fix!” They live in a complete bubble of
Remoaner….I mean I live in Remoaner central in North London . They live in a
complete bubble. They don’t know anybody who would admit to them they voted Leave. They will know people — they are just too afraid to say it because they don’t be
accused of being a racist or stupid. But they… I don’t even think… when they say
“we’re not biased” they genuinely believe they’re not. They have no idea that
their perspective is constantly going from…they treat Eurosceptics like they are
idiots, everything the EU says — anything Donald Tusk or Verhofstadt or Jean Claude Juncker says is treated as the Word of God as engraved on a tablet and brought
down from the mountain . And they don’t even hear it and see it themselves.